Tariq Ramadan's Rape Trial: Blame the Victim

Here's what I see in this whole scenario: 1. Ramadan's supporters need him to win his case because many of them are just as guilty as he is. 2. If the women are non-muslims they are seen as targets by the Muslim community. It's OK to rape, harass, molest and even murder non-muslims. If they are Muslims they are still looked at as subhumans; not the mothers, sisters, and children of a just God. 3. The French left love that Muslims show hate and barbarism toward their women. Feminists don't care about women no matter who they are. It's all show. they don't have to do anything, just protest in the streets to show "solidarity" is enough.

Unlike the women who spoke out against Harvey W, the degree of bravery required against TR is much higher. Such is the cowardice that i doubt that any court of law in France or the UK will ever convict the grandson of Al Banna who has demi god status among the progressive intellectual left, let alone the Muslim community. The unfortunate women well either retract, accused of lying, or suffer aggression.
Such is the difference between Jewish and Muslim brotherhood elite sex fiends.
Perhaps it will be left to the Swiss to convict! And what an irony that would be!
Unsupported by subjugated Muslim women and cowardly western feminists, these brave women need our help now.

The double standards are amazing. The liberals want to have their cake and eat it as well. Where are the Me too brigade now? Surely they should be voicing their support in no uncertain terms for their sisters. This is the world we live in where double standards are the order of the day.

Am truly amazed that up to this moment the French judiciary has the spine and integrity to charge Tariq Ramadan with rape based on the independent allegations of several women in spite of the pervasive political correctness.

For the future I remain optimistic that:

a) rape charges are not dropped (reasons withheld) and that the women are not charged with politically correct allegations of slandering Islam / islamophobia etc

b) the women victims are given suitable state protection and are not murdered prior to/after trial and in spite of intimidation do not flinch in telling the truth , the whole truth and nothing but the truth

c) those who have intimidated the alleged rape victims are found using the full resources of the police and are punished as severely as possible by French law

Once again, Western liberals care more about placating their Middle Eastern serfs then looking for true justice for these women. For decades now, Western feminists have discouraged Western women from having children, but instead, get a career. Then, when those same feminists deem it okay for these women to settle down and have children, for many it is too late. Because of this there is now a dearth of lower-class workers they can exploit, so they now have to import them from overseas.

Or as I like to say, "White Western feminists only care about Muslim women as long as they're fixing them their morning latte."

So tell me this, who is the real racist here?

Typical cowards from the left. This rapist is also an islamist preaching for the destruction of the Western culture and the idiots still defend him. Europe is doomed to become islamist under Sharia law.

This silence is why I would never call myself a feminist in the US. I don't want to be associated with those supposed leaders of feminism who have failed to speak up. God bless these women and may they get justice.

My grandparents who are survivors of the Turkish onslaught on Christians during the fall of the Ottoman Rmpire have always said if the civilized world doesn't erase Islam from the face of the earth, then Islam will do what they intended to do and that is conquer and enslave the infidels. That piece of wisdom came several decades ago.

The West is a mess, hides behind it's cowardice in face of fear of Islam. They are brave only against Jews and Israel, partly to show Islam that re: Jew hatred they are on the same page. None if this will save them when the day a reckoning knocks by the emboldened Islamic hordes.

A very sad commentary on the state of Feminism and the "Me too#"movement in the world which, by its silence, has chosen to blame the Muslim women victims for Islamophobia. Where is the Left "when words matter", but action is necessary.

Tariq Ramadan should be put on trial and sentenced the maximum penalty if he is found guilty of the charges against regardless who his grandfather is or status.

Why aren't there funds being raised to support the women who are claiming to have been raped? And apparently as the women are being physically targeted why haven't the French/Swiss government set up protection for them and taped their phones to locate harrassment and threats over the phone. If the children are being threatened why aren't police escorts being organized? I know this costs money but the women are being left to their own devices for protection which is absurd. We have witness protection but these women are the direct victims and not only witnesses. The Euro nations are hanging these women out to dry and putting them at risk of harm including violence against their children. Arrest one of two of these creeps and you will see the threats decrease. DO not arrest anyone and you will see the threats go beyond words and into deeds.

One of the most shocking articles I ever red. One thing is missing: The death threats and persecution of the judges and their families. What happens to them if they convict Ramadan as guilty?

Once again we see that in Muslim world, the affiliation to a certain race or religion is more important than justice and law. Imagine a Jew raping three Muslim women...would he be convicted in a court in Medina?...

The term Islamophobia is a bogus word invented to facilitate Terrorism by disassociating it with Islam and branding anyone who would dare say Terrorism stems from Islamic texts and teachings is suffering from Islamophobia or an Islamophobe. The American news media such as CNN have promoted the idea that verses in the Koran that contain the phrases, "kill the non-believer must never be spoken or examined in the public forum of network news. And if any questions area asked about the connection between Islam and terrorist acts the answers must only come form CAIR or from an Islamic professor teaching at some American University. People who have lived in Islamic countries and can speak Arabic must never be consulted on what it is like to live in such countries. Anyone who would ever dare suggest that there is a connection between the Koran and the terrorist acts committed around the world but be considered suffering from that dread new disease Islamophobia. Anyone with any intelligence must not give in to the temptation to use this bogus term as it plays into the hands of those who would use it to silence all debate that might suggest there is anything wrong any slight flaw in the perfectly legitimate and mainstream religion of Islam. The term Islamophobia must be raised to the level of Racist or Bigot or White Supremacist. I will not say Antisemitism because that is not promoted by the Liberal media and politicians alike and has become acceptable worldwide. The way out when a naif journalist like Brooke Baldwin who once asked a year or so ago on CNN "what is the connection between the Koran and the terrorists? She was not answered at all for about 10 minutes then someone on the panel who was from CAIR said oh it is a distortion of Islam. There is even a way out of this without just ignoring the question. A defender of Islam once told me the verses only apply to Mohamed when he was at war with his enemies so killing the nonbeliever is not meant to be applied in today but just back then. Well true or not that would be the way out but i am assuming that the Journalists on networks like CNN are educated and have real knowledge about Islam and i would hazard a guess I am assuming too much. So beware of the dangers of new words being introduced to language that if accepted such as Islamophobia can be as dangerous as a Jihadist. I have seen where the word was written in red and now it isn't. Don't play into the hands of Radical Islam don't use their bogus words.

You are right to ask what is wrong with Western people in authority. Even in Britain we had the Rotherham scandal and yet young white girls were blamed for the rape carried out by Muslim men. Many ordinary white people, including our MPs and EU Leaders refuse to see these Muslims as bad people and will go to great lengths to defend them. It is ridiculous, and about time these people opened their eyes to what is happening to our society but I think it is too late now. Christians are the bad people in society and we have weak religious leaders who don't seem to care about their faith but are more concerned about the Muslim's faith.

Even if they weren't kafirs, they went unescorted and unveiled. If they had ever professed Islam, these acts alone may have rendered them apostates. And there are no four Muslim men to testify on their behalf. Since by their own statements there was sexual activity, they are fornicatrices and adulterers. Under Islam they were fair game for any Muslim.

Will a court have the courage to apply our law to him? What will a billion and a half Muslims do if the court does find the courage?

Our law or theirs?

Herein lies the perfect storm! Islam versus the Western society.

We always have problems with the crime of rape. You can be a western secularist, a feminist, an Islamist, or just your average "Joe" or "Jane", and you will be sceptical of the victim in a rape crisis or event.

I have been a rape victim. I own this "turf"! When I was just assaulted by a total stranger after my shift ended at JCPenney in AL many years ago, the "security guard" who was placed in the parking area outside the building, was as helpless as I was. I was attacked from behind, hit over the head with a sandblast nozzle that happened to be wrapped in some kind of "steel sack" garbage bag! When the action stopped, what do you suppose was the first question I was asked? Here goes,..."Was that your boyfriend?" Do you call that jumping to a conclusion? I do!!!! I think my answer was a very vernacular "****, NO!

What is my point? Mr. Ramadan could be a victim of a very angry politically motivated group of direct-action activists or as Islamic Sharia Law proclaims, a man with Quranic fundamentalist origins who takes the usual stand in his relationships with Islamic woman!

I would think that the details of this case would NOT be available to the public at this time due to the legal status of the case. You may find any stand you take on either side of this case to be the equivalent of "walking in the dark"! We just don't know how rape is perceived by educated moderate Islamic women. Sarsour defends Sharia Law! Would she embrace a man, accused by her peers, of rape? I don't think there is a definition of rape in the Quran unless it is alluded to in terms that only Muslims understand.

"Islamaphobia" is a very subjective slogan-like term derived by those who obviously do not understand the true definition of a phobia. It is a shame that having a cautious approach to a group, as a whole, has been based on the multiple actions taken by Muslims living anywhere freedom is espoused. We, meaning western people, have to see them with a scrutiny that suggests we keep an eye on them. Then there is... "once bitten, twice shy"...as a type of wisdom. Only someone who is being viewed under that type of microscope wants to use that particular term, "Islamaphobia" as a political weapon. Common sense tells most of us, we must be wise, a bit wary, and definitely cautious around persons who perceive even our choice of fashion to be the "enemy" of righteousness!!!!

1) Ramadan should make a public appeal that no one harass or harm the accusers. It could be very nobly phrased: "I am confident in my innocence and in the impartiality of the French judicial system. I appeal to everyone not to threaten or harm those who have accused me. To harm the accusers would be counter to the teachings of Islam." Please don't tell me that I shouldn't expect this to happen. I don't.

2) Has any fund been established on behalf of the accusers? They will at the very least have extra expenses. (May have to take kids out of public schools? May need to change phones? May need to travel by car instead of by public transportation? May have to spend on home and personal security?) Certainly a fund could help them in some small ways to face this barrage of threats and calumny.

The huge body of Muslim opinion springing to the defence of this Muslim Martin Luther is because he is seen as a poster boy for Islam, a pillar of the community, a citizen of irreproachable standing. Those defending him so vigorously are more interested in the damage it will do to Islam that one of their own should be found guilty of such a serious charge. They would do well to look to the founder of their faith, a rapist and a murderer.

If there is any difference between this and the abuse of boys by Catholic priests, I am not seeing it.

There is feminism, and then there is feminism. Unfortunately these poor women thought that someone "had their back".

Hi, according to Kuran, women are not human, they only exist for men's sexual consumption, and women are priceless. This is Muslim world rules. Allah and God not same, they don't believe in God, they don't believe what Jesus says. Because of them, Ramadan doesn't think he did a crime. Rape is personal, not crime, and good for men and women.

Yet again, the normally western feminists lose their voice when it comes to confronting Islamic misogyny. These self-accredited "brave strong" women turn out to be nothing more than contemptible cowards.

When people recognise the MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD as a TERRORIST organisation, perhaps then some kind of real democratic process will grow, that make women at least equal, instead of discrimination against them.

France of all places with more mosques than churches in the south of France is showing its allegiance to a false ideology that is both atheistic and destructive of tradition, family, religious values (scandalous for Catholic France), that would normally underpin common decency.

It's frightening indeed in what's going on today in all EU countries, to find any Muslim guilty of rape is never easy, as women to most Muslims don't count. No matter how many women Ramadan raped, to find guilty a well known Muslim theologian is unthinkable to the Muslim world, and as well true to day for all EU countries who are in fear of retaliation from their own Muslim citizens and non-citizens.

This is the typical Muslim defence in full swing! All the blame is on the women's side, they shouldn't have allowed themselves to be raped by Tariq Ramadan. Were they uncovered? Were they showing their hair or ankles perhaps? What was it that drove this man to rape these women, Islam? Maybe he thought that he had a free ticket, like many of his fellow Muslims who consider a woman to be worthless!

It is about time that the politicians in the West saw the "peaceful religion of Islam" for what it really stands for even in the modern world in which we live. Islam has not changed since its conception, and if the West think it will, then they are sadly mistaken. Nothing will ever change in Islam. It's a religion that benefits men and subjugates women, a religion that supports child marriage, that creates division whether it be in schools or in the Mosques. Why is it that a woman cannot go into the same area as the men to pray? I wonder if it is because they cannot trust themselves seeing a woman bent in front of them? Politicians are sick, Muslims are sick, and any that support this pseudo-religion need psychiatric counselling! For any intellectuals to offer support to this evil creature Tariq Ramadan is an insult to civilised people.

Is not every person, regardless of race, creed or colour equal in the eyes of democratic law? What are Tariq Ramadan's followers afraid of? Why are his alleged victims being persecuted?

Western governments must abide by their own laws and clamp down on dissent against the rule of secular law. If you wish for sharia, then go to a country that has it. Do not try to inflict in on civilized nations.

The #MeToo movement should hang their heads in shame. All very well to expose the Harvey Weinsteins of the world but so totally gutless when it comes to Islamic scumbags such as Ramadan. I hope he is found guilty and has justice appropriate for rapists dispensed forth with when he finds himself in prison !