Is the UK Overthrowing the Christian Basis of the West?

Two world wars haven't helped and not to mention the infiltration of cancerous Marxist communism and liberalism into a crippled Christian civilisation.

Those state that say secularism and atheism is the way forward are not only foolish but sending us down the path of being taken over by foreign interests that care nothing for the native populations of the western nations.

Very alarming, but realistic and objective description of the current situation in UK with inevitable repercussions on the whole of European culture.

We are seeing the demise of the Church of England, but no mention of the growing "house churches". There are probably more Christians in the UK than in the last few decades. The CofE is not the be all and end all of Christianity here.

I see no strong reason to believe that Islam will replace Christianity as a dominant cultural or political force. It may well grow to outnumber the Christians as they shrink, but its also very possible its young people will fall away.
What we need is a fully secular state, that way it makes no difference to the population which way the religious winds blow.
Given that the Christian churches now recognise the inevitable they could contribute to that secular state by calling for it and make a meaningful gesture by withdrawing from running state schools and removing bishops from the House of lords. Things that should have been done decades ago but now with the population so obviously non Christian well overdue.
I do think some meaningful plan should be made to preserve the historical buildings that all our ancestors paid for.

The great falling away (apostasy) is happening before our very eyes. This is signalling the last days before Jesus returns. Before then, however, terrible things will come to this planet including the Antichrist. If you are not saved today by the saving Blood of the Lamb - Jesus Christ - it's time to get right with Him.

2 TH 2:3 (KJV) - "Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;"

Since Britain voted against us at the UN on the crucial Jerusalem Embassy vote, it's time for an appropriate response. I say, the US should stop construction of the new embassy in London, and move our embassy there to Cardiff or Newcastle -- or maybe Belfast.

Yes...church going numbers have fallen dramatically. The writer does not address the reasons for this. It's certainly not enough to speak of "inclusivity". Most young people accept it but are not church goers. Nor is it enough to cite evangelicals like Lord Carey. BUT the root question is this: What makes a country like UK 'Christian'. Is it church going? Is it formal structures like the monarch being the head of the established church? Is it bishops in the House of Lords? Is it singing 'Jerusalem'? Is it an application of Gospel values in people of different social backgrounds, as well as the young, old and the rest? Is it a sense of history? Is it the rise of secularism? What? The writer goes only for Church going - which is a very simple approach...like the idea of a runny nose meaning a person MUST have a cold.

I blame many of the Christian leaders for their apathy and in many cases their support of the followers of Islam. Even the Pope will not speak out against this invasion and shows great respect for their so called religion. The Archbishop of Canterbury sucks up to them with his left weak kneed rhetoric. No different to the majority of the British government that actively encourage this alien culture and bend over backwards to appease them and protect them to the detriment of the true British people, who are basically ignored or arrested if they dare to criticize or speak out about this cancer.

Excellent writing, and sobering assessment of our own vacuousness when it comes to matters beyond the here and now.

Islam is merely the tool which has been used to destroy western civilisation, Christianity and the white race.
The worst aspect of this is that the church has facilitated this process, as have successive governments by revising the history taught in our schools, and allowing the laws of this country to be altered to appease our colonisers.
Various media have also been eager assistants in this process.

I am English but a missionary in another country and I thank God that I do not live in the UK any more. You have to be young and strong to withstand the attacks the enemy is going to give you, this, I believe is why God moved us as we are so not young any more. Where we are we are looked on with respect - as far as the elderly are concerned this has died in the UK even in the most charismatic and evangelical churches the young people have been so blinded by the enemy they actually cannot see anybody much over the age of 45. I have had youngsters walk right into me because they did not see me and I am no lightweight, being somewhat overweight to say the least. So I am not at all surprised to read that which I am reading.On top of which the Anglican church some years ago now forfeited its rights to call itself a church belonging to the Lord Jesus Christ of Nazareth as it has entered into the realms of apostasy and is on its way to hell.

For several decades, we in the UK have known about this disappearance of Christianity and its replacement by Islam. One only has to visit many towns and cities here to see the dominance of huge modern Mosques together with large Moslem communities and local authorities often with Moslem dominated council membership. It's highly probable that most British people voted to leave the European Union to stop immigration and prevent further Islamisation.

Melanie Phillips is Jewish and Lord Carey is a sincere Christian; they are both right. As a state institution, the "Church" of (what was)"England" tends to follow the fashionable leading ideology; a problem with Erastianism. It is divided, like ancient Gaul, into three parts: the ceremonial High, the happy-clappy Low and the "dear vicar" and "old ladies" (of both genders) Middle. Its chief colleges turn out skeptics and leftists; a few small ones stick to fundamentalism. It is viewed with a certain cynicism, not always affectionate, by the general public, some of whom still use it for funerals, sometimes weddings and occasionally christenings. It has largely succumbed to gay lobbying, leftist social and global politics, multiculturalism, and "white guilt". The Methodists follow suit; the Baptists stick to the Bible, a faded Calvinism, but also to multi-racialism.

Secular and Islamic movements are filling the vacuum, the latter by migration and birth-rate; there is some tension between them, but the role of the leading Anglican clergy is to supply sanctimonious waffle about self-sacrifice, capitalist evils, refugee needs and so forth, whereas some good old-fashioned hostility to criminals and genuine patriotism would be welcome, and even perhaps refill a few pews.

The age of congregations is the underlying demographic problem.

A lot of this decline of Christianity is due to horrible preachers. Much of Western Christianity does not go deeper into the scriptures and to the world, these "Christians" look like the world rather than being a light to the world.

I hate to say it but it's not unusual for me to come across European atheists who are the most self-centered, rude narcissists that one would have the misfortune of meeting. It's hard to believe that it was Europe that once gave us the great Martin Luther, the Waldensians and Pilgrims.

It's less that people in the western world have tuned away from religion, than that most churches have turned away from religion. Most Christian churches have "modernized" themselves until they no longer provide the sort of comfort, stability, and sense of belonging that attracted people to them. There is no longer any unchangeable definition of morality and law, or a definitive line between right and wrong -- it's all become adaptable and amorphous. Many Christian churches (as evidenced by the present pope) have become more about promoting socialist political dogma than religious dogma. If Christian churches expect to keep from disappearing, and possibly regain some of their lost membership, they're going to have to go back to standing for something permanent as an anchor for their congregations, and back away from the social and political preaching.

The writer of this article is under a misapprehension. Christianity in the UK is not dying. The Church of England and Roman Catholicism are dying, but they are not Christian. Martin Luther and friends saw that the spirit had long left Catholicism. The Church of England is Catholicism without the pope - a slight improvement. Christians are delighted that these two monstrosities are dying.
If you want to see Christians en mass then find Evangelical Churches. They get so big that they have to split in two in order to maintain manageable sizes. They have no priests, bishops or any other hierarchy. No fancy costumes either.
Another way to meet Christians is to seek out non-conformist churches - meaning all the traditional churches that are neither Church of England or Roman Catholic.

I believe that the elite, academia and royals have abandoned Christianity !
The Anglican Church in the UK has lost its relevance and has made no attempt to regain ground but has just appeased and appeased and compromised itself out of existence!
In what the academics so fondly refer to as post Christian they have yielded to Islam and sharia.

As a wise man once said, "render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's and to God that which is God's".

The Christian Church needs to go back to its roots, which are first and last Christianity, not Politically Correct political grandstanding, frantically adopting any and every fashionable notion that the "Liberal" Left espouses in order to show how "modern" it is.

Europe had a conversation with God in the 1960's you see. Europe: We are doing quite well now God, and having quite a lot of fun, too. We don't need your ol' Christianity anymore. We can go it alone. God: All right then, since you don't want Christianity, then have this: "Islam!"

Yes, these trends may well be cause for concern. Especially as the CofE is the state church. However there are still plenty of Christians who fill up other denominational churches...depending on what type of church they can be thriving.
Added on to that there are many Chistians (genuine believers, not just with some vague belief in 'someone up there', who for all kinds of reasons have left the mainstream churches.
So although in general it is a worry, I don't think that everything is necessarily lost - and who knows what God is able to bring about, especially if there is enough intercession and faithful witness etc from what Christians there are who are trying to listen to and obey God.

Not all believers attend church. Don't let empty churches fool you - the people still carry the faith.

I'm surprised you are so optimistic about Christian statistics. In the late 70s WEC produced a book that estimated the amount of Christianity found in each people group. Britain was then only 2% Christian. But Britain is a Christian culture because its laws are based on biblical values. Even acknowledged atheists are driven by Christian values. Just a little bit of salt is needed. It's biblical to see standards falling. But God is in control.

When a C. of E. vicar asks his congregation to pray that Prince George will be a homosexual, and the Archbishop of Canterbury takes tea at Lambeth Palace with supporters of Jihadist murderers of Christians (true!) and his predecessor advocates Shariah law, just what the Hell do you expect???

As a Copt (Egyptian Christian) who was raised in Egypt and obtained my initial advanced degrees from Edinburgh in 1959 and from London 1960 (I am FRCPE & FRCP), and having authored the award winning book "Let There Be Spring" in which many chapters address how the Copts may perish in Egypt, I am puzzled to see the procrastination of Britain to taking in the Copts preferentially. They will fill its Churches, revive its schools, enhance its moral precepts, enrich its society and provide the much needed additional manpower. Others may not maintain Britain's rich heritage and add assimilate in its traditions.

Think of Augustin's final conversion ... [ based on Karen Amstrong : A history of God ]

He [Augustine] was weeping and suddenly heard a child's voice chanting the phrase : "Tolle, lege" [ pick up and read, pick up and read ] .
Then Augustine read in the New Testament [ St. Paul's Romans] : "Not in riots and drunken parties, not in eroticism and indecencies, not in strife and rivalry, but put on th Lord Jesus Christ and make no provision for the flesh and its lusts."
Augustine's struggle was over and said/thought "I never wished nor needed to read further. At once, with the last words of this sentence, it was as if a light of relief from all anxiety flooded my heart. And the shadows of doubt were dispelled."
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That's our tragedy ....
Many of us are not seeing where to look for what we seek, and others are lucky and find it by getting in contact with Lord Jesus Christ .

With very few exceptions, today's leaders work against Christianity .
In a sense they, unknowingly, participate in fulfilling the Bible .

Sorry but this article makes the common mistake of equating Christianity with the Anglican Church.

The Anglican Church may well disappear in decades because of its tendency to try and appease minorities by changing its belief systems to comply with what is held to be public opinion. It operates pick and choose religion.

On the other side of the coin the evangelical, charismatic and pentecostal denominations are thriving because of holding to consistent biblical beliefs.

Realistically this has not taken too long to evidence itself, it would be easy to simply claim that uncontrolled migration of other faiths is to blame, but that would be merely a paint job, the core problem is much deeper and significantly more serious. In truth it is not much different from the national demise of UK businesses, too much tripe education in universities has resulted in business management being considerably inferior to its predecessors. Priests share the same criticism, their overall quality is a very pale shadow of their forbears, even if you add on, which you must, all the stupidity of sexual equality and multiculturalism that they are obliged to recognize, the end picture is pitiful.

The collapse of the Church of England and other European churches goes back a long way in spite of compulsory school prayers every morning in UK and Religion being the only required named subject on UK school curricula. Having spent a life in schools as pupil, teacher and governor I have seen and heard. Snide comments about PC aside, the rot set in at the grass roots from those who had survived the two World Wars that demolished faith in authority as it made a mess of "Progress" so government, elders and betters and Church all lost face. This was reinforced by mechanical progress when even in the house the youngsters know how to handle the electronics better than their parents. Secondly especially since penicillin and much else, medicine prosperity and diet does better than prayer alias hoping. Third religion is no longer the near sole source of culture and diversion when not working. Cinema, broadcasting and the latest computerisation never mind education in general has made people a lot less dependent on the sole educated person in the village or one's corner of town. It is not for nothing the village clergyman is known in English English as the parson - a variant on "person" ie the "character."

A rudderless subcontinent full of justifiable guilt!

The decline of Christianity in Britain is lamentable and is going to change society completely. Many say that they will be fine with Atheism or Humanism or some other Ism, but it is Christianity that underpins most of what is good in the country and a sense of what's right and wrong, moral and immoral. The relentless assault and open hostility to the teachings of Jesus Christ does not augur well for the future. Fortunately however Christianity has shown itself to be resilient even in countries like China and in the Middle East. Perhaps there is still some hope.

As UK abandons Christianity, it also diminishes its influence in the world and in Europe. Eventually, when it turns an anti-Christian country, what is happening in fast pace, UK will have turned another mediocre country among many peers, most located in ME. It is just an island, adjusting its world influence to its boundaries. And London mayor is leading the process, not without the population support. Good luck.

And the LORD said, "If I find at Sodom fifty righteous in the city, I will spare the whole place for their sake." Abraham answered and said, "Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord, I who am but dust and ashes. 28Suppose five of the fifty righteous are lacking. Will you destroy the whole city for lack of five?" And he said, "I will not destroy it if I find forty-five there." Again he spoke to him and said, "Suppose forty are found there." He answered, "For the sake of forty I will not do it." Then he said, "Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak. Suppose thirty are found there." He answered, "I will not do it, if I find thirty there." He said, "Behold, I have undertaken to speak to the Lord. Suppose twenty are found there." He answered, "For the sake of twenty I will not destroy it." Then he said, "Oh let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak again but this once. Suppose ten are found there." He answered, "For the sake of ten I will not destroy it." And the LORD went his way, when he had finished speaking to Abraham.

Political Correctness is just one of the causes of the demise of Christianity; the failure of Christians and Christianity to stand up for itself. There awaits a case in court where a respected teacher was dismissed because he referred to a girl as a female (or similar). How could this be - that transgender nonsense was allowed to become law?
The Anglican church has distinguished itself by its leadership - weak, irrelevant and out of touch. It and they have bowed to every trendy thing - usually at the cost of any principles or Christian dogma:
- support for gays/homosexuals apparently in preference for the regular majority
- women Bishops, clergymen
- modernising the procedures to accord with secular society
- following Left-wing dogma - antisemitism, hatred of Israel
- pursuing any nonsense in the hope of putting "bums on seats".
- ignoring the plight of their co-religionists in Egypt Pakistan and elsewhere
At a team when leadership, principle was needed, the Church just walked away - well, the people also walked away.

After centuries of aggressive, hostile, not just skeptical but down right hatred and condemnation of Christianity by Western secularists what do you expect? The nation that brought the world the pseudo-scientific religious cult of Darwinism now is "evolving" into a Muslim state.

Just because people don't attend local churches regularly anymore doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that they no longer believe in their faith. What it does mean is that Sunday has in many ways become just another day for shopping and enjoying life. It means that people are choosing not to attend church because they see it as being unnecessary to sit through a service when all around them are gods gift to us, the world in which we live! It is rubbish to suggest that people have "lost their religion" simply because they no longer feel the need to attend church on a Sunday, that's a ludicrous suggestion. As for the religion of Christianity being overtaken by Islam and becoming the faith of the UK is complete nonsense! I am by no means a religious fanatic, but when you consider the numbers involved, it's easy to come to the truth about this, and there is no way on this earth that Islam will become the majority religion in the UK.

The saddest thing of all is that the Anglican Church, by and large, has defeated itself. When people teaching theology tell students that "all we know about Jesus Christ could be written on the back of a postage stamp" and hold that the Bible is not the inspired word of God, and subscribe to "liberal theology" while denying the works of the Holy Spirit, is it any wonder we end up with priests professing to be ministers of Jesus Christ who are not born again and who do not have any vibrant personal faith? Muslims follow the contents of a holy scripture with far less archaeological support, but will die for their religion, whereas many professing Anglicans cannot be bothered to get out of bed on a Sunday morning for it. That said, there are Anglicans who are full of the Holy Spirit, true, strong, vibrant Christians who speak in tongues, evangelise, serve and see and participate in miracles - I have met some such as the Late Dean of Umtali, the Very Rev John Knight. Sadly they are few and the hierarchy does not encourage them. There are many free congregations in the UK, though, who believe the Bible is the Word of God, who know Jesus and serve Him. They are considered silly by those who subscribe to the new gospel of the neo-Darwinists, but they are the true church and it may be time for the husk of an empty edifice which has abandoned its purpose to slink away quietly.

The freedoms enjoyed in the West are not based on either Christian or Judaic dogma or tradition but rather squarely on the Renaissance and Age of Reason rediscovery of the philosophy of Ancient Greece. For example, the framers of the US Constitution (mostly Humanists, not Christians) relied on certain self-evident truths...that all people are created equal and that all people are endowed with certain inalienable rights including life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. None of these notions appears anywhere in either the Old or New Testaments, but rather have their foundations in the contemplations of Paremenides, Anaxagoras, Anaximander, Empedocles, Zeno, Pythagoras, Socrates, Plato, Aristotle, and Thales.

The early days of all religions are filled with zealotry, conquest, and subjugation of conquered people-of-the-wrong-faith. As a relatively young religion Islam retains its jihadist nature and motivation. The problem with the West is that it is in a transition from faith-based attitudes to those based on reason and fact. Thus, its population feels cut adrift from the certainties and comforts of religion. We have not yet reached a consensus that all religions are the enemy of freedom, not its savior.

The people of the West are also unfortunately still being used and manipulated by standard-issue governments. All such throughout history have been supported by three pillars of control: Bread, Guns, and Conflict. Things were getting too peaceful in Europe and the governments thereof needed to stir up some conflict within the population. What better way than to import millions of Muslims that they knew would really and vigorously stir the pot. What these politicians did not understand and apparently still do not is that Islam would eventually remove them from office as Infidels.
The solution is not more Christians and Jews but rather more Humanists with the courage to combat and contain all ideologies that subjugate women, abhor science and reason, and believe that only certain males should be free. Unfortunately, the former leader of the Western World is now controlled by a President and Congress who support rather than condemn such ideologies.

As now half of UK population is non-religious, a further decline will not change the country dramatically. English society existed well before Christianisation and will continue to do so. Of course, not the same as before. Even Muslims will abandon their faith gradually but not loudly. No panic!

UK is finished! The passion has gone. Killed off by Marxism. I am a Bishop in the independent Anglo-Catholic movement. People have nothing to turn to now for solace. With State CofE flunkies praying for queer princes and recognition of transgender rights, nobody can blame those who left the Church. The Long March Through The Institutions was thorough and when Islam takes the UK, as it will within five years, then these PC flunkies may regret their folly and denial of Christ. I still have a Church and a traditional one too. People are welcome to join, but we insist upon tradition not Marxist rot. You cannot serve two masters. I will not and do not apologise for my stance, nor do any of my Bishops.