UK: Still Welcoming Jihadis

These are not the only jihadis admitted to the UK by the Government. Could it be that Islam has established ownership of our elected representatives? There is a surfeit of petro dollars in circulation.

That Pakistani cleric is demented and unfit to touch any other country or any other person. He is a renegade filled with hate and violence and will never change. As Ngaio has said either France or Britain could become an Islamic state but I'm picking it will be France because so many of their churches have been converted mosques. I'm thankful I live in New Zealand at the other end of the world but it could even happen here if there are enough crazies.

What goes on at these "Inter Faith" meetings? Is it just the Muslims haggling and agreeing the terms for buying up the churches and synagogues?

Follow the money used to be the mantra of the journalist so I have heard. Of course Saudi money has corrupted our political elites, mainstream media and institutions. Greed and ego are the main drivers of those who make decisions and spread propaganda and wink at evil. Amber Rudd has now declared that cultural harmony should not trump sexual offences. Really?.... how long has the rape and getting young vulnerable girls hooked on drugs by men of certain religious affiliations and ethnic origins been perpetrated and covered up? Sadly this is no surprise how modern Britain colludes with evil.

On May 2, 1935 Winston Churchill said this in the House of Commons:
http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1935/may/02/foreign-office#S5CV0301P0_19350502_HOC_289

"When the situation was manageable it was neglected, and now that it is thoroughly out of hand, we apply the remedies which then might have effected a cure. There is nothing new in the story. It is as old as the Sibylline books. It falls into that long dismal catalogue of the fruitlessness of experience and the confirmed unteachability of mankind. Want of foresight, unwillingness to act when action would be simple and effective, lack of clear thinking, confusion of counsel until the emergency comes, until self-preservation strikes its jarring gong – these are the features which constitute the endless repetition of history."

Living far from Europe (and Britain) I watch those places with interest. I am still unsure which country, France of Britain, will be the 1st to partition into an Islamic republic and a non-Islamic entity. Which of the two will take the lead?

Sadly no mater how vile the German war was Europe has not learned anything. Today again the propaganda of hatred is in full swing coming out from the "learned ?" imams imported into Europe who preach nothing but hatred in the mass of Mosques that are like factories of hatred supported by Saudis & others. Europe that was incapable to accepts Jews & murdered them for being Jews are absorbing Muslim who only want to destroy Europe full stop....

My personal comment on your article, which by the way is very realistic, is that
BRITAIN IS GETTING WHAT IT DESERVES, if they haven't learned their lesson,
Yours truly

The only real issue I am having with these types of pro-Islamic reform discussions is first of all, Islam prohibits reform, so it's impossible without creating Islamic warfare until all old school style Muslims are dead or all reformers are dead, so we are still asking for trouble, because b) from a psychotherapy standpoint, the male dominance issue with regard to the physical bond between mother and child maintained and the emotional bond damaged by Islamic male dominance issues, means that universally this type of male dominance remains very physically oriented, so objectification of women leading to head coverings and other psychologically abusive female clothing, physical force (ie respect for Sharia Law punishments) as the formal go-to for conflict resolution, and thus jihadism and violence in Islam won't end just because you've perhaps removed the death penalties of Islam, and amputations, etc. Besides, Feminism destroys the physical end of the maternal bond, leading to suicidal instead of homicidal tendencies (both versions of male dominance), so you are increasing the risk of suicide bombers and jihadis as a result of combining Feminism with Islam. The former being mental illness and gender identity/homosexuality creating leading to suicidal behaviors, and the latter being homicidal/bullying/abusive/domestic violence and rape oriented/objectifying women and children oriented. It's a bad combination. Both need to do, technically...

It seems to me that a peculiar malaise has taken over most countries where it's as though they simply cannot see the danger. There is a lack of fear of consequences. If I were Theresa May I would have all Muslims rounded up and have them declare their reasons for being in the UK - not all at once of course but over a period of time. The question is: Why are they in the UK? Why be in a non-Muslim country when there are plenty of their own where they could live without having to worry about how women are dressed and all their other stupid and pathetic rules.
Cruelty is a vital part of Islam. It's punishments are vile beyond the ken of Europeans. This makes them wholly unsuited to the West's way of life. Again... why are they in Britain? The only answer can be 'to commit jihad'. There have already been warning atrocities but it doesn't seem to enter the mind of folk that it will just keep on happening. The lesson to be learned is that IT WILL NEVER STOP! Do not think for a moment that it will 'all settle down'. Remember Islam's first aim is to convert everyone everywhere to their disgusting, cruel and violent religion.
In my country there was a Roman Catholic school sold to Muslims. They have claimed it will teach all aspects of Islam. That includes jihad against the infidels i.e. their hosts i.e. us.

This half-hearted attitude in the UK government's fight against Islamic extremism needs some serious investigative journalism. It is not sufficient to just to look on in despair. If extremist preachers are given the freedom to do pretty much as they please then individuals and groups in government are allowing this to happen. I would very much like to see them held to account. What are their motives?

Douglas Murray brings up a question that troubles logical thinking people. Why do British leaders support Islamic extremists and allow their country to be overrun by Muslims who will not accept their values, laws and culture?
The answer is a simple one. British leaders have poor or no knowledge about the history of Islam. They have become fools to support Muslims who are indoctrinated with the Quran; a manual used by Islamic religious leaders that prevents Muslims from assimilating the values, laws and culture of their country. People around the world need to read: http://www.nicholasginex.com/2017/08/09/expose-abominable-verses-in-the-quran/

Douglas once again you have hit the nail on the head. The Prime minister makes a lot of noise about extremism but as you quite rightly say there just words. You can't stop terror with words all the extremist Islamic nut jobs should be kicked out of the UK once for all, appeasement does nothing period.

Unless the people of the once mighty U.K. stand united and vote out every liberal who endorses national suicide--there is no one to blame but themselves.

Like the rest of EU pols, the Brit elites stupidly think the problem will simply go away if they do not mention it - PC in action. What does Queen Elizabeth have to say about all of this? Any Royals? Presumably PM May has occasional conversations with HRH...maybe not. Who knows in today's world.

I worked for an M.P. in the 1970s, I demonstrated against the police who murdered Joy Gardner, a Jamaican woman who was being deported and who had her entire family here, children and grandchildren and I have just witnessed a similar case in the High Court and heard of others. What this article and my experience both show is that the Home Office is happy to allow terrorists into the country but denies persecuted women and children the right to be here. As far as I can see, the more deserving the case, the less likely the Home Office is to grant it.

"Enough is enough?" Isn't that somewhat an echo of Germany's "never again" which is becoming a reality once more?

I remember when all this started sometime back in the late 1990's and I was living in London. MI6 were advocating that these extremists be allowed to come to the UK and preach so they MI6 could see who else was involved in the extremist viewpoint.
Nothing to see here then just the stupid dolts who brought the whole lot of them into the UK continuing to misunderstand what a mistake they made then and are continuing to make now. MI6's hubris knows no bounds. The only way to handle this is an iron door that cannot be penetrated and deportations of extremists.

It appears that "the wheel" has turned to the left in Britain, as it has in so many other western countries, to the great disadvantage of the citizens whose hard work, sacrifice and diligence to elevate life and living there, are all now being ignored, and their governments, acting like hosts at a grand party, are spreading out all that has been achieved before primitive, barbaric newcomers with incessant, thuggish demands for the capitulation of their country and its citizens. Worse, these government officials have entrenched their hold on these countries, by implementing laws and strategies to deny - even possibly end, free speech. Enjoying only that permissible percentage ( by government fiat) of all urgent issues relative to personal safety, democracy and the like, is a favoured tool of these governments. Strategies such as these conceal cowardice, illiberal conduct, corruption, graft, treason,and utter stupidity. How can reasonable citizens come to grip with these major issues when they are consistently denied knowing the whole story? Would that we could all hide behind 'hasty regulation' that enabled us to escape unscathed - as many politicians and civic leaders are doing presently - but alas, WE have not escaped the consequences of their failed and disastrous policies.

Up to their necks now In the culture of the New World that they have undeniably created, Theresa May and her advisors have no excuses remaining. It is very clear that they have persuaded themselves that hosting, permanently, incivil, barbaric representatives from primitive lands, who have sworn to implement their own preference for culture and faith over that of their hosts, is their number one choice. What a pity that they declined to inform those who voted for them that they wished to transform the U.K. Into a failed Middle Eastern, Asian culture.

Following on to your article it appears that there is frustration with this government not acting on the Islamic threat in your midst.
This government appears to be totally unconcerned who enters the UK and of their whereabouts.
The leaders appear to be petrified of the possible retaliation of these evil monsters and their intentions.

EUROPE is committing suicide, by ignoring facts, but like in the 1930s they start knowing this by the time it is too late, even in 1918 some politicians saw the peace of VERSAILLES as a risk for the coming war. People in GERMANY like THILO SARAZZIN, did warn some years ago regarding to the migrants, but was side lined, and MERKEL does insist she is right, while she is the one who said the magic words and open the floodgates without consultation and against the will of the people.

The English are part and parcel of the merry band of Euro-suiciders, to coin a phrase. It's as simple as that. They won't let people like Michael Savage--not sure about Pamela Geller--into the UK, but they let those who blatantly call for murder,sharia law and more. Stupid is as stupid does.

So, since when can we trust a British politician?
Never forget the Prime minister Attllee & Bevin & Co., who tried to continue where Hitler left off by blocking immigration of Holocaust survivors, into Israel, sending them to concentration camps. Arming the Arabs, but arresting and hanging young Jews who were fighting against the Muslim and Arabs.
Teresa May, is an idiot to say "enough is enough" and allow Islamic murderers into Britain.
However, we must be grateful that the British Nazi leader of Labour did not achieve his aim.

I do not trust politicians.
I do not trust British politicians.

They are all liars.

The present government of the UK is controlled by EUrophiles, multiculturalists, and apologists for Islam, May in particular. Nothing will be done with regard to radical Islam while these people are in power -- and probably not afterward, if they are allowed to conclude a deal with the EU that strips Britain of most of its control over its borders and immigration policy, after it is out of the EU. If the Conservative Party doesn't replace this government with a different sort of people before they make a deal with the EU committing Britain to a policy that limits the UK's ability to exclude, or expel whoever they choose, this problem will never be dealt with.

They suffer from a new age ailment that might be described as determined lunacy. The patients arrive at some totally illogical rationale that defies reality brought on by early life brainwashing by leftist tutors. It relates to the Bridge of the River Kwai syndrome in which the British officer became so focused on building a fine bridge for the enemy that he forgot who the enemy was.

Clearly enough is not enough! If asked a politician will state that the primary function of the government is to protect the people; but the evidence as pointed out by Douglas Murray refutes this role. Not only do they allow imams, as mentioned, into the country but they allow hundreds of returning jihad's who, by their actions, have turned traitor against the British state and have demonstrated rejection of any allegiance to Britain and should be stripped of their British nationality. (Nobody is interested in the views of the UN in this matter; they are as discredited as the UK politicians)

Yet while all this is going on, our PM (Mrs May, for the time being) has denied entry (as Home Secretary) to people such as Robert Spencer and Pamela Geller (US citizens) who wished to come to explain to the indigenous UK population the folly of allowing Muslins carte blanche migration into the UK and the serious danger many present.

All these facts are beyond dispute as is the abject failure of the British state.

Ain't diversity great? There is nothin' like spewing hate in a land of free speech to an audience eagerly slacking its thirst with a jug of salt water.

Thank goodness for Douglas Murray bringing the spotlight to this! Our government needs to be called out. It is either incompetence or a lack of will to enforce the sentiments behind Theresa May's "enough is enough" speech. Is there a petition that we can sign? Even if, in this instance, it may be too late to change this decision to allow these controversial clerics from getting in to the UK, it may ensure that future radical clerics are not given a free pass to spread their vitriol and hatred.

If the public had been warned that these men were being allowed to come, we could have made protests and if enough people had spoken out, they would have been barred. But I for one, knew nothing about this visit. It has been kept dark. Is it any use writing to my MP (Labour) asking her to ask questions in Parliament?

One side wishes there was no war going on. The other side relishes it. Keeping one's head in the sand just makes it that much easier for it to get chopped off.

The UK and Europe have serious jihadist problems exacerbated by leftists who have never met an Islamic terrorist or economic asylum seeker they did not like and want to live next to someone else's home.

In Canada, we have the same - and this is after we have had the benefit of observing for years the horrible experiences of Europe.

Have a look at this assault on our borders with the help and blessings of government:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1XpJ73v7QU

The leftists like PM Trudeau have a hard time understanding the differences between good immigration which benefits and strengthens the country and terrorists, criminals, leeches and users who will weaken and destroy freedom and country.

I am of the belief that Trudeau's meeting with Obama led to the unleashing of crackdowns on anyone who holds conservative views. There has been an arrest of a speaker and confiscation of his iPad when he entered Canada from US to speak on freedom of speech and its incompatibility with sharia. There have been police public displays off love and obsequious dialogue for Islam in Mosques. There has been an Islamophobia motion to prevent freedom of speech regarding criticism of Islamic terrorism or voicing displeasure with the lax procedures allowing potential terrorists to enter Canada. Every day, 24/7, economic asylum seekers and seekers of social services (even from wealthy Gulf States) by the hundreds goes on unabated.

We are idiots if we allow this assault on our sovereignty and security to continue.

The government is terrified of the Muslim population in this country, and has to be extremely careful not to upset them. We are no longer a country governed by law, we are governed by fear. It is the nature of Islam to instill fear in the infidel, in order to rule him.

Douglas,
I couldn't agree more. But can we not extend this same logic further and apply it to countries like Saudi Arabia and Qatar in order to stop funding theocratic states who then use those funds to restrict human rights and perpetuate extremism and terror? Frankly speaking, how can we complain about the results we ourselves are at least helping to fund? If we were more ethical and thoughtful in our economic pursuits we could use our purchasing power to effect change or encourage states to embrace de minimis human rights standards. We can express outrage until the end of time, but nothing will change until we confront our own political and economic expediency and take action.

Mr. Murray, you are to be commended for your correct and firm stance.
Sadly, it seems that your last sentence is true: "...the words of elected officials in Britain just words today..."
Britons, WAKE UP!

You surprise me Douglas! You know full well what the excuses are, the UK government is strangely afraid to say anything that may upset the Muslim population of Britain. The indigenous people, well insult them if you wish, they are of no consequence to anyone! Let the Muslims rape indigenous children, turn a blind eye on their behaviour, they are after all merely copying their beloved (sic) prophet.

Freedom to incite Jihad is not freedom of religion. It is like trying to revive The Spanish Inquisition in the 21st Century. And the Spanish Inquisition happened only because the Muslim Islamic tyranny was evicted from Spain leaving deep scars that erupted as a result of the submission demanded by Islam. A similar circumstance happened in the Balkans where centuries of Ottoman tyranny and exploitation of non-Muslims had blow back in Bosnia and Kosovo a century later especially after the Nazis and Soviets had indoctrinated both sides. We are told Islam is innocent of wrong doing, its a perfect religion and above criticism, its only a religion when its convenient but as a state revolutionary government it is given greater allowance than the Christians that continue to be persecuted with the encouragement of regressive liberal socialists.

Europe is committing suicide.

Forty years ago British Rail had a slogan......"This is the age of the Train."...I would like to modify that to read...."THIS IS THE AGE OF THE PLATITUDE,........It seems that the populace has become so impervious to the anodyne spoutings of our Prime Minister and her coterie of fearful appeasers that they fail to see how they are relinquishing our nationhood, our identity. It appears not to matter that in the lifetime of our children, Britain as we have known it will be gone.

Being an unlettered man and not wanting to appear a malaprop, I checked the meaning of 'anodyne' and was shocked to find its alternative meaning is a....."pain killing medicine."........personally I'm not taking my dose....

If you thought that only Muslims think the'll fly to paradise after becoming a Jihadi....think again. The West has adopted this bizarre death wish to.

The Western reasoning behind it is that it will make them 'a better person when inviting armies of anti Western fanatic Muslims & poor Africans into their countries.

They still believe they can convert them to Western standards.

The governments of UK, USA and many other liberal democracies are to be commended for valiantly guarding the rights of the individual citizen to speak his mind, to choose his own words, and to express whatever position he holds...but there are limits. One of those limits is that speech that indicates a fundamental disloyalty to the state, to the government, and to the way of life of the nation, this is called treason. And treason is not protected, nor should it be. Traitors should be expelled...they do not belong in the nation whose existence they wish to destroy, whose government they wish to replace. They should be free to live elsewhere but not in what they consider to be an enemy territory, a Satanic land. The execution of traitors goes too far, as it compounds one evil with the commission of another. But exile is appropriate. Those who hate the UK and its values should not be permitted to cross the border, and even more so to promote their hate throughout the land. Let them stay home, and if their British brothers and sisters do not wish to live in the UK, let them emigrate.

Well Douglas, in answer to your question whether or not the UK government are unaware of these two characters beliefs, definitely not! The problem being is that they just don't possess the courage to say no! Theresa Mays' statement saying that "enough is enough" is pure unadulterated bulls*it.

She is one of many politicians in our country who are, slowly but surely, betraying us and selling our very future to Islam. She and her cabinet of wonders are simply afraid. They are quite prepared to sacrifice young girls to grooming gangs, quite prepared to see people killed and maimed by terrorist attacks and then stand up a few days later telling us all that Islam is the religion of peace and that the terrorist attacks are being carried out by people with a distorted view of this "peaceful religion". Lies and deceit and downright betrayal of our very values, values that Theresa May and her gang of thieves and charlatans pretend to be protecting. In reality, they are instead aligning with Islam, and fear the very thought of confronting an extremely real danger to us all, not just in Britain but in the West.

I suppose the politicians consider the segregation imposed on Muslim women, whilst the men are free to go out and about and abuse children etc is just a "teething problem", a problem that will disappear eventually! Not a chance! Islam is a "religion" unlike any other, the belief, the treatment of women, the yearnings of old men to marry children, the threats to any that want to leave, the threats to any that want to have genuine relationships with those of another faith. The restrictions placed upon Muslims, by Imams and "community leaders" and the veiled threats used are appalling, the religion needs to be questioned at all levels, and challenged at every opportunity. Discussion can not be allowed to be closed by the use of the words "Islamophobes or Racists", that's an easy cop out continually brought in to put an end to discussions.

The British Government needs to seriously consider its decisions, not only now, but for many years to come, and they have to start confronting the culture and beliefs of Islam and stop pretending that it has anything to do with peace. The "religion" is a combination of politics, belief, and instructions of how to live from cradle to grave. All wrapped in a blanket of fear.