Germany: Should Migrants Integrate?

It is extraordinary, and very telling, that the Germans even find it necessary to engage in the task of defining their own kultur. Do they not already know? Have they no common sense? Ye gods and little fishes!

Germany as a country we see today will cease to exist in the next 25 years if steps are not taken to stop the inflow of migrants in what ever guise, these people traveled from their countries escaping a war nobody prayed for, that doesn't give them the right to impose their laws on the host country.

The majority of (indigenous) German citizens do certainly agree to the need of integration. They are fighting a more and more hopeless battle against the political establishment who is strongly promoting integration too - however REVERSE!

Constitutional rights are violated all over the place. With the federal commissioner for immigration, Turkish born Aydan Özoguz, strongly lobbying municipal voting rights for migrants (not even distinguishing between legal and illegal ones), it becomes evident that the final goal is establishment of a new electoral base against the ones shouldering the consequences of a disastrous domestic political agenda. Even at risk of the latter abandoning the country down the road in a mass exodus.

Mr Kern/Gatestone: Thank you for your very hard work in informing Gatestone readers about the insanity of the Germans as related to the Mohammedan invasion.

On the other hand, it is easy to see that the present-day descendants of the murderous WWII Germans have gone insane, as evidenced by a Green Party member, who is quoted saying "... I do not think that finding a way to live together peacefully is about preserving one's culture." If that is how little that Green Party member thinks of the once-great German culture, and there are others who feel similarly, bye-bye any possibility of Germany returning to anything resembling greatness.

In the United States, still the greatest nation in the history of man despite Barack Hussein "The most beautiful sound is that of the [mohammedan] call to prayer" Obama's best efforts, we still believe that the present-day American culture is the result of many factors, including the founding documents and the energy of Americans, including immigrants who adapted and assimilated, and "living together peacefully" is obtained by preserving that great American culture.

The obvious mistake here is that it is always the majority (the Original German people in this case) that must "Accept" the foreign cultures of immigrants, be tolerant and have a willingness to change. Since when do politicians have the right to state that Germany (or other European countries') culture is multiculturalism at its core. But the migrants - what about them?

Islamist ideology, calling for the destruction of European societies, a Caliphate, ready and often trained in Jihad. Oh no let's not ask them to change, get off welfare, work and earn a living thus having little time for terrorist acts. Yet if they don't change your original western culture is as good as dead and all of your concessions are worthless.

Similar problem in Britain and other countries. In the UK we are told that our British values are tolerance, openness, diversity, etc.- loaded abstractions which deliberately invite foreign immigration and colonization.

Never mind history, attachments or national content King Alfred or Jane Austen, Shakespeare or Shackleton, Newton or Nelson, &c. Patriotism in its cultural aspect is considered a combination of three evils - "racism", "xenophobia" and the latest significant addition "nostalgia".

When people are guilt-ridden, unsure of what they believe in and too weak-willed to stand up for who and what they are, then other people who are stronger will take over. This would seem to be the fate of the German people in the 21st century. Please tell me I'm wrong.

In my lifetime, a good many people in Germany went from seeing themselves as being a master race determined to exterminate another group of humans based on ethnicity to feeling they need to bring in people from all over the globe -- some of whom will not assimilate due to the dictates of their faith -- an attitude that will cause nothing but trouble in the future. It seems amazing to me that Germans can swing so far from one side to another in a few years. Then again, how many Russian people still see themselves as Communists? The world continues to go crazy because of its most 'intelligent' animals. Time for another animal to dominate. Perhaps the next one will do better.

I wonder if German Green Party member Jamila Schäfer would also say:

"As soon as your identity is based most strongly on which religion you belong to, you can easily adopt an attitude of superiority. And that is dangerous and anti-democratic because it is excluding others ... I do not think that finding a way to live together peacefully is about preserving one's religious culture if this opposes gender equality, freedom of expression, freedom of religion, pluralism and democracy."

Unfortunately, Germans still don't seem to realize what's happening to their country or they simply don't care!

I went to Germany on a business trip the other day and I saw more headscarfs and other Islamic types of clothing than Western European ones. Born in Germany, I felt as if I was in the Middle East. Everything looked and felt strange, no feeling of being back in Germany because it simply felt foreign.

I'll try to stay away from Germany as much as I can and only go there if I have to, on business.

But Merkel is still heading the polls and is sure to be elected again in September because Germans are cowards, and they much rather accept their country going down the drain than doing something about it for fear of being labelled "racist". I think these days being called a racist is rather a compliment because it means nothing other than being a defender of democracy and of one's own heritage. Is this really such a bad thing?

The end of Germany as a vibrant, democratic state is written for all to see when embracing multiculturalism as its leitkultur.

Multiculturalism did not create the conditions for Germany's development into an economic powerhouse. The leitkultur of Judeo-Christian work ethic (and a generous/magnanimous United States following WW2) deserves that honor.

Multiculturalism did not create the phenomenal artistic works for which Germany is known. Wagner would be repulsed by such an idea. Beethoven was not an immigrant from a foreign culture.

Multiculturalism did not produce German scientific or engineering excellence. BMW and Mercedes Benz are home grown entities.

Multiculturalism that does not enforce social cohesion and integration into its historic leitkultur will not prevent the rise of Nazi-like parties in the future.

Multiculturalism as it is being practiced by the likes of Frau Merkel is merely Germany advertising its self-defeat.

When you bend your laws to accommodate Islamic law soon the Muslim savages will bend you to their law. SAY NO TO SHARIA LAW.

Those who are eager to integrate into Western societies and accept their traditions and customs are welcome regardless of their religion or ethnic origins. They contain professionals and entrepreneurs and I suspect that figures will show that they DO NOT POSE RISKS ON THEIR ADOPTIVE SOCIETIES. They can worship and eat as they please so long as they don't encroach upon others.

By contrast, the ones WHO WANT TO CHANGE THEIR ADOPTIVE SOCIETIES TO SUIT THEIR WAYS INCLUDE ALL THE UNDESIRABLES. In a world in which religious minorities are persecuted and are looking for a new country to call home and serve it peacefully while they contribute materially to its young manpower WHY ARE WE DEBATING THE QUESTION OF WHO WE ARE? Do we have to change our traditions to suit foreigners and risk to lose the best among our citizens?

As a Christian who spent more than 35 years in Egypt and 45 years in America, I can attest to the fact that there are exceptional Muslims and extremists among us while the vast majority of Christians integrate in America and contribute to it.

Of course it is a religious debate! Everything in life, including political views is about whether to accept or reject biblical truth. The leftist view is essentially a rejection of divine authority. Leftists believe that man's rational and empirical thinking has the capacity to solve the problems of life apart from obedience to divine mandates. Leftists are arrogant and rebellious. They reject God's directives that produce domestic tranquility which includes secure borders, nationalism, monogamy in marriage, parental authority, prohibitions against all types of homosexuality/sodomy, rejection of all forms of internationalism such as membership in the United Nations/European Union and its step-child -- multiculturalism.

All political views are manifestations of either divine viewpoint or human viewpoint. The consequences of human viewpoint are on full display in the blind arrogance of Germany's national suicide by allowing modern day Canaanites into their country. These parasitic foreign insurgents have a well documented history of plundering the wealth of nations. Islam began and continues to be an international mafia-type crime syndicate with a religious front. All Muslims are soldiers who spread a poisonous ideology that was invented by Mohammad, and yet Germans are deceived yet again by the promise of peace, and are therefore falling under the control of another group of "Brownshirts". Will the German people ever learn?

When a country places the attitudes of immigrants over the traditions of it's own people that country and culture ceases to exist. The lines may still show on the map but the heart and soul is dead.

Hummmmm, let's see... It took a task force 5 months to come up with 15 guiding principles of German culture. I could come up with 15 guiding principles of American culture in less than 5 minutes. And still most people would vote for Angela Merkel???? Recommend reading Douglas Murray's book The Death of Europe. I am almost finished with it. He does an excellent job of explaining what went wrong in Europe. Sad to say, but the conclusion I draw is that Europe, including the UK, is done for. A main reason is addressed in this article. Europe and the UK can no longer define themselves.

The migrants should integrate into their host culture, but most, if not all of them, won't. The law favors them against the native population. They get light punishments for any crimes they commit. If a native of the country speaks out against them for said crimes, the native is punished. The natives can have their properties and businesses seized for use by the migrants with no expectations placed on the migrants themselves to pay for any of it.

Given the advantages of remaining a migrant over integrating and becoming a citizen, the more beneficial path is obvious. Becoming an integrated part of the host society is a step down for them. As long as that remains true, they have no reason to try and assimilate.

I wonder why we in the US are so much in belief that Europe in general, and certain countries in particular, such as Germany and Sweden, are committing suicide...if they are not seemingly worried? Do we "see more" from a distance, or are the Germans and Swedes, etc., thinking things are less bad than Gatestone and its readers perceive them to be? The fact that Merkel is an overwhelming favorite, just blows me away.

Maybe it's political correctness run amok, maybe it's German guilt...I don't know. Thoughts anyone, as to why we're more worried about Europe than the Europeans are?

Germany & Europe are caught between an anvil and sledgehammer. They need youthful immigrants for their workforce, but cannot allow the inevitable negative reaction that will (not would) lead to the revival of ultranationalist nazism. They are relying on the US experience of integration of immigration waves and the creation of a sufficiently uniform society by way of assimilation. In the absence of extremist alien culture expressed by the absolutism of religion, they might have a chance. Unfortunately the Muslims of the MidEast and Africa are not only of different cultures and thought patterns, but also look different. Their chances of making it through the next 50 yrs without a major bloody social conflict are nil. All it takes is a short tempered German in a group whose members are hurt, to ignite the conflagration.

I don't remember too many female Muslim fanatics using suicide/murder bombs, driving trucks though crows of innocent people, invading and killing everyone in a cartoon publications office, setting their underwear or shoe bombs off on airliners over metropolitan areas, attacking and killing unarmed (surprise) soldiers on Fort Hood base, and on and on ad infinitum.....stick your burkas where the sun doesn't shine and go back to your mid-east paradise.

Any immigrant should assimilate into the culture and country they migrate to. To do otherwise seems discourteous to me.

The Burka is only a symbol. What does it mean?

Does it mean forced wear and the status of women as equals? Or is it a choice a demonstration of submission to Allah?

Should it be banned from public places as a religious act or accepted as an act of free expression?

The question really hinges on how do we determine what is free choice and when is a religious act not a choice at all but forced behavior based on religious chauvinism. When does that choice or freedom impinge on the rights of others?

The question should be how much authority can a church, temple or mosque possess and when do the cross lines that threaten the equality of pluralistic paradigms we take as the basis for a free society?

Regressive liberal socialists have given up on individual freedoms and opportunity as expressions of capitalism and ascribe to its practitioners a peculiar idea that it creates schizophrenia and anarchy. Seizing on that thread the religious/politics of Islam zealots and chauvinists attempt to portray themselves as an abused minority, refugees, when in fact they are colonists.

Sharia law contradicts the spirit of democracies. In the West traditional Christians and Jews are portrayed by the left as counter revolutionaries, in turn they are seen as chauvinist in their opposition to abortion practices, venial "entertainment" like prostitution, drug abuse and unproven sexual aberrations that remain an ideological experiment rather than proven to be good for the continuation of a healthy society that considers procreation a normal and necessary function.

It is as if the radical let has accepted the religious radicals of Islam as a useful alternative to religious institutions they have grown to disdain and blame for the shortcomings of their inane notions of something called globalism.

They assume Islam is the more progressive of the three religions and accord it a dialectical inevitably even though Islam itself has no commonality with the Jewish and Christian faiths. The Koran is not the Bible, it is not Torah or the Gospels and in the end stands not in a linear evolution of religious concepts but simply seeks to annihilate what it considers a contradiction to their own beliefs.

This is the common mistake of the left choosing to believe all religions are the same while positing that Islam which claims falsely to be embody Christianity and Judaism in fact and proven by history even to today in which 90,000 Christians were murdered for their beliefs or identity as Christians, 30,000 in Islamic nations 60,000 in socialist states.

A result of Western states abandoning the effort to advance the better cause of pluralistic paradigms having equal worth and instead embracing those paradigms that claim to be "superior" only because they reject traditional institutions and democratic virtues like individual rights.

I have little hope the regressive liberal socialist has enough value for human rights and lives to oppose overt demonstrations like the Burka; which serves only one purpose, it erases a woman's individual identity under a cloud of smoke and mirrors liberals treat as an under class expression that rejects the same values as their primary enemy, traditional institutions identified as representing capitalism and opposition to "sameness".

Or in the words of Bob Dylan,"Everybody must get stoned."

The left-wing globalists in Germany are disgraceful! They are determined to undermine the German culture and destroy Germany as a country! "Pluralistic society" is an abomination which WILL NOT WORK!!! This is nothing more than the global elite agenda to eliminate self-identification and marginalize the traditional citizens of Germany...it seems part of a plan to subjugate and enslave the people of Germany, eradicate their pride in their country, their core values and ultimately themselves. Diversity is a communist's dream...everyone the same, no more sovereignty of their nation and they, only as commodities to be exploited and discarded! It is sickening!!!

What fools the Germans are. Not for the first time in the past 100 years they are led like donkeys by the nose to ever-worsening pastures. Will the people ever wake up? Nope!

I guess we are witnessing the slow formation of a new Islamic caliphate in Europe.

Whilst I am not against the German people, I am losing patience with them that they are not even appearing to try to stop Merkel from not only destroying their own nation but the whole of Europe too. This madness cannot be allowed to continue and if necessary there will be no alternative to stop and reverse the situation by the pro-active actions and draconian means available before there is a visitation of complete hell on Earth.

The German people are nuts if they vote Merkel in again. Suicidal!

Even Democracies choose "leiters" to head their governments. So to say that there is "no leitkultur" in the modern diverse Germany is a lie that doesn't easily get exposed. In every family there is the titular head of that family. The "Kultur" of my family will differ from the "Kultur" found in my neighbors...BUT they do have one thing in common, a "leiter" who sets the values, tone, and activities of that family.

And how is it that Germany's Integration Commissioner, a foreigner, tells the Germans that they have no culture to integrate into. Who has the stupidity to appoint people like this into these positions?

Millions of migrants flooding into the EU and only one job on offer at the job fair? No wonder there are so many migrant gangs roaming the streets 24/7 attacking the locals - and getting paid to do it.

Submission.

It is axiomatic that migrants should always assimilate and integrate with the host society, but with Muslims they are often instructed not to do so. This means a normal culturally homogenous country becomes host to parallel societies, a recipe always destined to bloody failure as witness Lebanon, Rwanda, Congo, Balkans to name just the more prominent where one religio/cultural group has tried to establish primacy over another. Europe's history is going to be written in blood over the next few decades.

It has been seen that integration of migrants has helped in the past, both to the immigrants and to the society. For example, when Persians integrated with medieval Gujurati society, they preserved their religious identity however, they were socially integrated.

Persians were escaping the Islamic conquest of Persia and wanted to preserve their religion.

Persians were granted to live and practice their religious practice but on certain conditions: They need to learn local language and they have to dress according to locals.

This seems even true today.

Down the history lane, Parsis achieved a lot in India and some of them became prominent figures in making of India post independence. Tata, one of the biggest conglomerates in India is run by Parsi family.

Integration is a very good policy in a long run.

"Should Migrants Integrate?" Actually that is a freaking stupid question in the first place. There should not be a choice to chose. The question one would ask, why is it that an owner of a dog/dogs need to train or put a muzzle on their mouths? The answer is, to avoid /stop the dogs from pitting someone along the way. God gave brains to both humans and animals but the difference God gave humans the sense of knowing what is right from wrong but to the animals the sense to understand a command or run away from a human. Take me back to the question "Should Migrants Integrate?" It is very, very simple. Teach them the western ways of life, that is OBEY THE LAW OF THE LAND & NOT THEIR BARBARIC MIND -SET WHICH IS MUSLIM/ISLAM. Give them the their rights live as decent humans but not their rights to rape, murder any women, girls, men or animals when they want.

I wrote this "in Praise of German Culture":

https://2lobes.wordpress.com/2012/09/22/in-praise-of-german-culture/